Are women any more

Do the anti-equalists not know that everyone has been oppressed all throughout history by the small wealthy ruling classes that holds all the power. Men as well as women. But that fact is conveniently overlooked by the feminista.





Are they not aware that right now men are being horribly tortured in foreign lands?



I'm not an anti-equalist. And I think that women and men are both oppressed, but in different ways. By both the government, as you stated, and each other. I recognize that in a lot of ways men have it worse than women even in the US, and yes I do see that as a problem. I think all forms of discrimination (legal and social) are negative.




The difference is that men who were oppressed in history weren't suffering because they had a penis. It was because they weren't the right race, religion or class.





The women suffered the same, in addition to suffering for having a vagina.





Not exactly even stevens, eh?





This continues in other places in the world today.





Human rights fighters help everyone, but considering many of the areas where men and women both suffer see women suffering additionally based solely on the fact they're female...makes sense to me that women's rights fighters are still necessary.





Not in the west, but the world extends quite a bit further. That's still plenty of people in need.





I don't see any reason someone can't support both.




Celtish, who the heck d'you think devised Feminism? The very "small wealthy ruling class" that you correctly note has held most of the power.





The difference is, back in the bad old days, anyone who wanted to could quietly slip out of Society and not get caught up in that. The over-centralisation of today ensures that can no longer happen. The other thing is, men are being tortured horribly in the West - it's called the Divorce courts.




and you think that a female circumcision is not torture?








certainly men have been oppressed too, but not to the same extent as women. i think what you need to understand is that feminism is about achieving rights for women, it's not feminism's responsibility to look after the rights of men.





that's not to say we don't think they deserve rights, that's not to say that we don't think they face oppression too, i have 2 brothers and i certainly don't always like the way gender stereotypes places them in difficult positions. but feminism is focused on achieving rights for women, if you want people to look out for men start your own group and quit attacking this one for not doing something they never set out to do.





the fact that men are oppressed too is not overlooked by feminists, we are just trying to get our own rights, we can't fight everyone battles when we're still fighting one of our own. if you have a problem, solve it yourself and don't attack other groups for trying to sort out their own problems and not yours for you.




Celtish, there is something you seem to be forgetting. Back in those days that was the norm to have different classes of people; in many cases they were not forced to stay in those conditions. I know it's never been so in the States; however, when dealing with the serfs and that in your land it's very true.


The feminista, as you call them, are not looking. They have got no intentions on looking; that's the problem. They can hear you; all of you, but they're not listening.




In some countries, yes.


In others, no.